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I thought I would include some examples of dialectical thought brought to Jesus as questions. Whenever Jesus answers a question that that would seek to compromise His authority, His answers to these questions are often twofold. The questions that attempt to compromise the absolute truth of God's person (as before them in Christ) are dialectical in these cases, as they seek to diminish God's commandments, or equivalently, the part asking has a relationship with a tradition and the questions are often "feelings" rather than fact-based.

-- Click To Expand/Collapse Bible Verses -- Mar ch3:v22-30
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man 's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Jesus' reply here is again, twofold. He asserts that Only the stronger of the two here between God and beelzebub would be able to cast out the other... and then answers with a contradictory premise... that were God entering in, the state of the man would be better than before, as opposed to worse. In another acount of the same episode He ends with "Even so shall it be to this generation" to close the teaching. That to reject the work of the Holy Spirit as of the devil is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and is clearly nonsense. For, by whose power do they cast them out?

Both the questions meet in one statement that destroys the compromise and blasphemy of the scribes here, that God's authority is absolute. Jesus also keeps this dialectic open in the alternative episode, "even so shall it be unto this generation" and is effectively washing His hands of them, for there is no forgiveness for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

The Klein four group here that governs the collapse is such that one side of the dialectic is clearly impossible, but the deception by it (the dialectic) will not stand up to the authority of God here. Continuing to keep open the dialectic with the K4 structure is only possible by destroying the authority of the devil, which is what was wanted. The Holy Spirit IS the strong man here. Their deception that these "seven other wicked spirits" are observed rather than the Holy Spirit is contradictory and therefore nonsense.

When the soul of a man is so distressed by demons here, it leaves seeking rest, but the seven Holy Spirits of God are more kind and righteous than that man, and upon entering in, give him the rest he requires. The final state of that man is clearly better than before. Jesus, mocking their blasphemy of the work of the Holy Spirit here answers them with "By whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges." The narrative ends alternately in the two accounts of this episode with (paraphrased) "Because they say he hath a demon" and "Because they say he casts out beelzebub by beelzebub." Satan does not aim for a kingdom divided. Only God is strong enough to bind every other, therefore we have His authority to cast out demons. The strong man Has to be God; for we are fearfully and wonderfully made - (His whole creation is) and although evil has its place it has no strength greater than God's own.

Why would Jesus answer them with an answer that does not answer? (their accusation and blasphemy.) Particularly of a statement about demons? He does answer them and with a sharp word here. The devil has no authority in God's kingdom at all, but the narrative in one account closes with "Even so shall it be to this evil generation." Jesus is clearly mocking the scribes to His disciples here. We should be glad for it.

-- Click To Expand/Collapse Bible Verses -- Mar ch2:v18-22
Mar 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?
Mar 2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
Mar 2:20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
Mar 2:21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.
Mar 2:22 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.

Here we have another dialectic. The question asked is of John's disciples who Jesus quite clearly answers.. and also as towards the pharisees. One half of the dialectic is to answer John's disciples and Jesus seperates the two halves, beccause the question is loaded - John's disciples are mixed in with the pharisees' own here. The statement that collapses the question is (in advance) "Why are you not rejoicing? I, Christ am here among you!"

Jesus seperates the statements concerning John's disciples - Jesus words of the bridegrrom, and secondly the reply to the pharisees. Jesus does not treat these (punch and judy again) as equivalent questions. The answer on the second part is to state that Jesus has a new ministry and will not be compromised by tradition. The statement that keeps this dialectic open is the statement that John and the pharisees are alike, but the collapsing K4 structure is such as to seperate the two. New wine will be put into new bottles, Even John's disciples must follow Christ, because the bridegroom is with them there.

So, both these statements collapse with one answer that lays bare the misconception: The authority of God is absolute: and the person of Jesus Christ is as he said, right there right then.


I was listening to the radio the other day and was presented with another dialectic in my musings, (a daydream) I include it here because it is pertinent. Identities have been simplified to protect the non-existent!

A radio host was "reporting" on two pastors that clearly had different views, different doctrine and therefore different and incompatible gospels. They had "agreed to disagree" and were able to justify this difference by misinterpreting the verses written in the NT to indicate that they as churches were different parts of the body of Christ; that one was as "the hand" and the other as "the forehead" etc, citing that no part of the body had the right to ask of God as to the worthiness of one part over another, saying that the scripture states that the one had need of the other though they were most unlike.

Now, not surprisingly the host was a little anxious, knowing that the two pastors were both totally biased towards false doctrine, but the host is unable to attack each of them without himself marching in to a lukewarm situation where the other pastor would agree and dilute the host's exhortations by scripture with his own diminishing agreements. This leads to a debate where everyone’s view immediately becomes "as ones own opinion" and not an absolute.

In their unworthiness to remain "salty" the pastors had hit upon the one verse that would keep the dialectic from collapsing. The statement to collapse the dialectic is immediate: that neither of the pastors had understood that they had mistakenly assumed they were actually of the body of Christ - His bride, which clearly in their practicing the dialectic deception they were not so called and immediately reveal themselves as those whom have "horns like a lamb but speak as a dragon", i.e. operating as the "false prophet spirit of revelation".

Is there a K4 structure embedded in this situation too? Clearly not so, unless all three simply separated to disagree in symmetry! We have a separation of whether the dialectic collapses in Christ or outside it: What is used for unity in Christ is misused here: There is no "God in the machine" of the dialectic; (we cannot replicate divinity by mimicking divine judgement with the dialectic process) but we expected the host to wade into the lukewarm position in the centre: when in reality the host (if he be upright) already knows his arguments will be absorbed into each of the two poles (positions) held by the pastors. The symmetry required to match K4 is to exclude such pastors for those whom will certainly agree without cause to disagree, or those whom would both be accepting correction from an argument by one that pierces the hearts of them both: that they are operating as "tares" in the spirit of antichrist.


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