Good Creators, Redeemable Creation

The idea of infinite descent so goes along the lines of the question, "If God made me, who made God?", and "then who made that one?". We will attack the meaning of this statement logically, so that it is actually irrelevant: There is no use in questioning an absolute of logic - God, is necessarily existent and the question must either be subject to modal collapse, where God becomes somewhat "of all forms" or that every statement is either necessary or impossible. Then, nothing is logically deducible as absolute - we would have a "best guess" on one side and a rejection of the argument whole on the other.

We begin with a few axioms.

1) Creation is corrupt
2) A good creator only creates redeemable creation.
3) God creates only good creators.

A "bad" creator is one then that either does not or can not redeem his own creation.

Then, a corrupted irredeemable creation would be created by a bad creator who could therefore not be created by God. Then, either God has not created the "bad" creator, and/or God is imperfect.

Then, all creation is therefore redeemable and God as the perfect creator (as of all) expects every creator to redeem his own work. A bad creator then can either not redeem their own work or equivalently can not create another creator whom may create for and redeem Him by proxy.

Infinite descent steps in and states that God, must redeem His own creations first - thus as creator, His creations (creators) are all necessarily redeemed or are perfect, requiring no further redemption.

Likewise, there is no irredeemable creation because God is perfect.

So, If a creator requires no redemption He is either merely a "good creator" or is God Himself. In that God has created all, since God is perfect we must say that all creation must be redeemed in time. God then in creating only good creators equivalently creates by proxy those whom redeem their (and then His) own work or He has pre-redeemed all acts of creation that are "good".

Since creation is corrupt, we have two cases, either a good creator has created it, or also as good creator God is redeeming every other creator, being the one "true creator."

God, must show that the most corrupt creation He would permit any creator to create may be redeemed. Then, all creation by God is justified, whether He permits others to create or not. (such a set could be only of God Himself, but in trinity.)

We are instructed; In the beginning God, created the heaven and the earth.

Thus, as God is positively redeeming the worst creation possible first, by doing so all creators will be redeemed - thus including Himself in any further work.

So, we must state that the worst and most corrupted created work must occur first (before any other) in order to show creation is a good work, a redeemable action with no lasting case to the contrary. Were this not so, the creator of creators would require His creations to redeem their own work in His place since they themselves would not be redeemed until that had occurred. God then, must create evil and defeat it before creating any "good creators", else He does not redeem His own work, but only by proxy. God, in creating creators is required to redeem Himself as a "good creator" before creating any other creators.

We infer that:

4) Every created creator is redeemable.
5) God is perfect and redeems Himself.
6) If other creators redeem their work, they redeem themselves in God's place.

Ie, God is unable to redeem His creations (that are also creators) unless He does so while they yet do not exist.

We deduce that God redeems before every other creator is redeemed. Else, God would not have been a "good creator". If a "good creator" redeems before God could have redeemed Him, then God is imperfect, because He was unable to redeem the good creator (as His own work) Himself. Then as all creation is redeemed by it's own creator, there must be no other creator until after God has redeemed every possible creator. God, must redeem the act of creation before any other creators exist. The office of "good creator" is exercised by the Most High also.

Thus a good creator => all creation must be redeemable => God creates everything beginning with corruption and "evil".

For if there was the possibility of a good creator that redeems that world before God redeems the worst Himself, That creator would be due the glory, and not God whom would not have done any work to redeem His creations. God, would become a bad creator. (And His creation(s) His superior.)

However we can see this definition is somewhat separable, or well made.

If a good creator would require intervention from His maker to redeem His creation then he can not be a good creator, and His maker would not be a perfect creator, having created an imperfect "bad" creator. Rather, every creator must redeem His own work without assistance from His maker. Equivalently, the creator of all others must not create "Gods" whom require His interference or else He creates bad creators.

For a good or perfect creator of "good creators", even He as creator of all may not create by proxy everything that is made (unless they are redeemed by the defeat of all evil first), else His creations redeem His work and He is not a good creator. Then there is only the possibility in separation between there being only one creator whom creates no other creators (He that does all (or every) creation himself as a good creator), or that the "creator of all" creates only creators, and not the creation which they themselves have made - unless "three most high" creators are as necessary as each other and are somewhat "compound" as in the trinity model.

As every creator must redeem His own work, and all other creation is done by other creators - the non-redeeming "maker of all" that creates no bad creator, creates no bad work they make which they themselves redeem. The creator that must redeem Himself then is either the one creator I assume exists as God triune who is also my maker or is simply a logical vacancy equal to the logical necessity of God's existence or perfection, requiring no work or effort of creation or indeed any work of redemption.

So, either the creator of all does nothing (no further creation), since all His work is logically necessary, or He is actually the one God most high, whom is the only creator, making good and evil. (rather than just good and solubly incorrruptible)

So, all creators redeem ALL their own work, the creator of all must redeem all other "possible" creators by justifying creation as a good work. That then He is the only creator is asserted, for He would not have created any other creators beforehand when undertaking a work to justify the action of creation!

We see this simply because Creation Exists Corrupt. Either it was made by a good creator with no interference from any other maker further up the chain, or it was created by the one maker of all. If our creator was created, then His creator interferes in no way with this creation. That requires that our creator be Most High, and we will examine why.

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